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Redevelopment Project Subject of Saturday Workshop

The City Council, acting as the Temple Terrace Redevelopment Agency, will convene at 9 a.m. at City Hall to discuss the downtown plan.

Following a Temple Terrace Redevelopment Agency meeting Tuesday, City Council members will come together again Saturday to further discuss the downtown redevelopment project.

The workshop will take place at 9 a.m. in the Council Chambers at and will also be live on Verizon Channel 39 and Bright House Channel 950.

During the Tuesday meeting, the council, acting as the Redevelopment Agency, and the Vlass group, which is developing the property, discussed the same issues that they have been talking about since March. At that time, . The plan called for several changes to the master development agreement (MDA), a city document that outlines what the developer can and can’t do.

Since then, both sides have argued over putting retail on the first floor of the apartment buildings; ceiling heights on the first floor of the apartment buildings; the amount of parking spaces at the site; and other issues.

The council and many Temple Terrace residents have said they’d like to see retail on the first floor of the apartments. The Vlass group has said obtaining financing for such construction isn’t possible in today’s market.

The arguing seemed to die down in May when both sides came to a rough consensus. The solution was to .

But in June, Vlass’ attorney, David Smith, asked council members to agree that:

  • Ceiling heights on the first floor of the three buildings that would make up the residential units would be 14 feet from floor to ceiling;
  • Vlass would attempt to find first-floor retail tenants beginning June 1 by marketing “Main Street Commercial” in fliers and brochures, signs at the redevelopment site, qualified uses, industry events, and create a lease plan for possible tenants;
  • Building permits would be obtained by Oct. 1 and buildings would be constructed in anticipation of commercial on the ground floor until Feb. 1, 2013 at which time buildings would be retrofitted to residential use; and
  • There is enough parking at the site.

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Tuesday’s meeting between the council and Vlass lasted five hours. Afterward, city staff met with Vlass for an estimated four hours.

On Saturday, the council, acting again as the TTRA, will talk with city staff about the project in the form of a workshop.

“… because it’s a workshop, they cannot vote,” said Michael Dunn, the city’s public information officer. “If it were a TTRA meeting, then they could vote to make a recommendation to the city council.”

The workshop is open to the public.

“In accordance with TTRA workshop policy, no public comment will be taken,” Dunn said.

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Chase August 30, 2012 at 02:19 pm
Why are we still entertaining changing the MDA? Council for the fifteenth time, the majority of people who you represent do not want this "apartment" complex. The plan does not comply with the MDA, end of story. I am still wondering why this project continually is trying to get "pushed" through? Forcing this project will be a disaster. Our own city redevelopment department has major issues with the Vlass proposal and had stated so in many forums. You heard the people speak earlier this year, so why aren't you listening to them? Why are we having all of these last minute workshops where people can be seen but not heard? Something isn't adding up here.
Carol Dell August 30, 2012 at 03:13 pm
Well said.
Jamie Robe August 30, 2012 at 03:17 pm
Does Vlass have a website for this project, with projected buildings, rent figures, etc? I am meaning a marketing site... I think it would help to have some social media/website/mobile marketing effort for those who are interested in buying or renting space there. Looking forward to the downtown :-)
Chase August 30, 2012 at 03:35 pm
Jamie,
Vlass has no intention of trying to put retail in. They want to market during time of time of construction and if they do not lease then they will convert to more apartments. They proposed to begin construction in October and have until February to lease out to perspective tenants, but we have a major problem with this. The projected leases for new tenants are twice the going rate as most other commercial leases in the area. It is a perfect plan plan for Vlass to "over price" the units so they will not rent, so eventually they get what they want. I want a new downtown, but I do not want a downtown full of cheaply built apartments. I want the downtown that the citizens of Temple Terrace were promised.
Temple Terrace resident August 30, 2012 at 03:50 pm
Tuesday's meeting was a circus. Issues - a) the city doesn’t have their own "mixed-use" consultant (Beitsch is not our guy), they rely on advice from Vlass’s consultant! b) 14' floor to floor is "bare minimum", 15' to 16' allows more retail/restaurant uses in the future c) developer is planning multi-family "consistent for Hills. county in the last ten years", this is a re-development project, don't need Vlass to build more of what we don't want, d) wood frame construction’s “perception” is it’s inferior, e) ground floor retail should have storefront in place, potential retailers can’t visualize otherwise, f) Vlass attorney - "mixed-use does not have to be vertical", the definition of mixed-use is vertical, g) what vertical mixed-use experience does Inland have? A – none h) city, don’t be pressured to re-write the MDA in a day, or ever, this is why the current MDA is not good, it was written in a day (bad business practice jeopardizing the city), and the RFP that attracted the developer was poor too, the fact that developers have come and gone on this project is largely our own fault! If Vlass wants to walk, let him, what other such projects await him?, we can issue a better RFP and find a better developer, and then craft a better MDA that actually prescribes what we want built downtown. Council stand tough! Let's stop being desperate beggars! This project doesn’t need to be done in anyone's office term, it does not hang on Vlass's involvement.
Concerned Resident August 30, 2012 at 05:34 pm
I agree that the Vlass proposal is bad for the City. We cannot simply kick them out, they own the majority of the property!! That's right the City already signed over ownership to Vlass, look them up at the Property Appraiser site, the property to be deveoped with the apartments is already owned in part by Inland Development, we cannot just bring in another developer, Vlass will not give the property back, without being compensated with a substantial profit plus all legal fee's. If Vlass walks away they still own the vast majority of the land, they could just leave it as is and fight legal battles for 10 plus years.
Temple Terrace resident August 31, 2012 at 12:30 am
Vlass "owns" the property based on if they build what is in the Master Development Agreement they signed, and if they do not stop work for an extended time. If either line is crossed, it is breach of contract, and we can pay them for the work they have done and find another developer. The MDA is not so bad as to have neither stipulations or criteria to be met, thankfully.
JS August 31, 2012 at 02:01 pm
"they do not stop work for an extended time." Wonder how long this stipulation is? Been a long time already.
JS August 31, 2012 at 08:12 pm
MOSI is having a big food truck rally tonight. Why doesnt the city start to utilize the Meadow for something while we wait? It would also be a great way to bring people from around Tampabay as the rallys draw good crowds.
If your waiting for Vlass to promote the place you'll be old, grey and dead.
BA September 10, 2012 at 12:06 pm
BA
I now know why Temple Terrace will never be a desirable city to build in. Back in the 60's and 70's we were the talk of the county in a good way. Now we are talked about in a "not so good way." Times change and if the people want to demand their ways, over what the market bears, the city will end up with a big green patch of grass. I'm happy to report that after 35 years of living in Temple Terrace we are seeking another city to live in!
Temple Terrace Resident 2 September 10, 2012 at 12:49 pm
BA, Temple Terrace is going through what every city that is EIGHTY SEVEN YEARS OLD goes through. It's called aging. There’s no city that’s 87 years old that has not had its ups and downs, and we've had worse downs than this one. The citizenry knows this town better than anyone, and we live here, the thought that we would have no input (public/private) towards our new downtown is ludicrous. If you think that handing the developer the keys to the city and walking away is a good thing, it's probably best you're moving on, shiny fake Nuevo Tampa awaits.

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